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26 Re: Darfur Crisis on October 29th 2009, 20:46

Delegates of Sudan
As glad as the United States is to hear that the Sudanese eyes are " opened", the USA would just like to make another point that concerns the nation in subject. Delegates, anything that enters a country must go trough the post office. And if it doesnt, at least it calls the goverment's attention when a WAR LIKe HELICOPTER enters the nation's borders ilegally and land in the hands of NOMADIC TRIBES. Isnt it at least strange delegates, that the goverment of Sudan did not see any armament coming in, no WAR LIKE HELICOPTERS suddenly appearing in the sky and no guns arriving in boxes?? Isnt it even more strange that the Sudanese eyes are " opened" but not wide enough to see such things going on inside its borders???
After these questions, could the delegation of Sudan please detail it's relationship with China and how the delegation assumes Chinese armaments suddenly appeared in the hands of the Janjaweed??

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27 Re: Darfur Crisis on October 29th 2009, 21:07

Delegate of Sudan,
The delegate of Chad would like to clarify that Chad DOES care about the refugees in Darfur. If the Chadian delegation didn’t, it wouldn’t be asking for aid for Darfur citizens and the improvement of refugee camps in Chad therefore the delegate of Sudan can not say that Chad does not care about the refugees.
ALSO Chad is being attacked by the Janjaweed. Why would Chad permit these kind of groups that are attacking Chadian territory to plan their attack at our own country? That doesn’t make sense delegate.

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28 Re: Darfur Crisis on October 29th 2009, 21:45

Delegate of Chad,

Sudan never declared that Chad was accepting Janjaweed militias inside their territory, but, it was indeed accepting SLA and JEM rebel groups to unite and plan attacks to Khartoum.

"U.N. experts working in Darfur reported on January 9 that rebels were getting 'financial, political and other material support from neighbouring countries including Libya, Chad and Eritrea'."

Once more the Sudanese delegation presents proofs rather than assumptions...

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29 Re: Darfur Crisis on October 30th 2009, 18:15

Delegate of Sudan,

Is the delegate aware of the fact that rebels in and outside of Chad have been trying to get President Idriss Deby out of power for more than THREE YEARS? Why, then, would Chad accept rebel groups into their territory to unite and plan attacks in Khartoum? Is the delegate aware that Chadian troops have in fact been stepping up their efforts to fight the rebels, not only in Chad but in other areas, in the volatile east for example? CHAD should be the one accusing Sudan of sending rebels over the Chadian-Sudanese borders despite the truce of July 2009! Is the delegate aware that luckily-a close case-rebels have not succeeded in gaining any territory, even though they had moved at least 100 km into Chad from the Sudanese border and EXCHANGED FIRE WITH GOVERNMENT FORCES?? (in other words, fought the militia)

Can the delegate of Sudan please clarify their delegation's position on this matter?

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30 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 3rd 2009, 14:10

Congo, please do get your facts strait in order to save us time.
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What illogical statement is that that Sudan is sending rebels into Chadian territory to take away the Chadian president? Ask yourself delegate, and truly answer yourself, why would Sudan send such rebels/ What does Sudan gain with the deposition of Cha~d's president?
and mainly, if Sudan has power over such militias, as the delegate convictedly state, whouldm't it sound reasonable for the government issue an end to the bandit attacks in Darfur, therefore ending any speculations and accusations towards the president Omar al-Bashir of war crimes and crimes against humanity?
Doesn't it sound strange too that refugees are being attacked inside refugee camps in Chadian borderlines, where the army seems to make no effort to stop such attacks and rapes?
And since we are all basing are arguments on speculations here, maybe the Chadian government is sponsoring rebel groups of its own to kill Sudanese refugees inside Chadian territory, for those foreing refugees need a special attention from the Chadian economy to provide basic supplies... seems reasonable to me. Shall we, along with the ICC, prosecute the Chadian presidnet?

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31 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 3rd 2009, 14:24

American delegate,
Firstly, thanks for being glad for Sudan~s concern. Finallly Sudan is receivving its deserved recognition into solving the problems that assolate our respected nation. The "WAR LIKe HELICOPTERS" have indeed been recognized by the Sudanese government. In fact, charming delegate, the government itself is using such helicopters to provide aid and combat militias as the Janjaweed. But once again, thanks for the concern.
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Secondly, thruthfully, the Sudanese government has weapons of its owns to defend the nation from militia insurgences. Like the American government, which posses the largest military machinery in the world, Sudan, as a sovereign state, has the right to keep weapons of its own to fight back the rebels. Unfortunately, though, rebels have found a way to smuggle illicitly weapons and steal from other places, creating the whole armed conflict.
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But thanks delegate, for showing the American concern towards resolving Suda's temporary conflict but would like to point out: Sudan is able to handle such conflict without the external influence.

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32 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 3rd 2009, 22:31

Delegate of Sudan,
The delegate of Chad is relieved to know that the delegate of Sudan is aware of its weapons.
But is the delegate aware that the UN asked for foreign nations not to help militarily anyone involved in the conflict of Darfur? Delegate, Sudan’s weapons come form China and Sudan is directly involved with the situation in Darfur.

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33 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 4th 2009, 12:09

Delegate of Sudan
"In fact, charming delegate, the government itself is using such helicopters to provide aid and combat militias as the Janjaweed. Like the American government, which posses the largest military machinery in the world, Sudan, as a sovereign state, has the right to keep weapons of its own to fight back the rebels. Unfortunately, though, rebels have found a way to smuggle illicitly weapons and steal from other places, creating the whole armed conflict. "
As much flattered as the USA is by the " charming" comment, the Sudanese delegate is being contradictory and is confusing the USA at every second. If the goverment is providing aid and combtaing militias as the Janjaweed using such helicopters and there is proof that the Janjaweed was using such helicopters to transport guns and invading tribes with machine guns , then there are only two options:
1) The goverment is in fact providing such helicopters to the the Janjaweed and China has been a close allie to such militia because of the the Sudanese goverment's aid,or
2) The Sudanese goverment is unable to control the entrance of Janjaweed militia into it's military bases and is not being able to mantain them away from machine guns, weapons and letal armamemnt, since if the Janjaweed is able to take HELICOPTERS, then it may absolutly take anything it desires! This delegate, makes the Sudanese goverment weak and unable to mantain it'self, making it VERY FAR AWAY from the US-who in the delegate's own words " the largest military machinery in the world". There is no comparison delegate. With the war crimes Mr. Bashir is responsabile for, this is not even a surprise for the US.
The USA believes that it's not one of them, its both. What about Sudan?



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34 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 5th 2009, 17:39

Sudan is able to handle the crisis on its own? Right, this is why your government has allowed the situation to escalate to the point where it is the single greatest humanitarian catastrophe in the history of mankind. When we offered help, you rejected it, help which might have been extremely valuable. A time will come when the world will see clearly what your country has done, be it in the following conference, next year or a decade from now. The UK promises that by the time this is all over, it will see that Bashir and other members of the government tied to the situation are very well represented in the courts of justice.

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35 RE: Retreatment on November 6th 2009, 09:16

USA_LuziaS wrote:Delegates of Sudan
As glad as the United States is to hear that the Sudanese eyes are " opened", the USA would just like to make another point that concerns the nation in subject. Delegates, anything that enters a country must go trough the post office. And if it doesnt, at least it calls the goverment's attention when a WAR LIKe HELICOPTER enters the nation's borders ilegally and land in the hands of NOMADIC TRIBES. Isnt it at least strange delegates, that the goverment of Sudan did not see any armament coming in, no WAR LIKE HELICOPTERS suddenly appearing in the sky and no guns arriving in boxes?? Isnt it even more strange that the Sudanese eyes are " opened" but not wide enough to see such things going on inside its borders???
After these questions, could the delegation of Sudan please detail it's relationship with China and how the delegation assumes Chinese armaments suddenly appeared in the hands of the Janjaweed??

Delegate of US,

The appearance of armament it is just a case of trafficking of arms and it happens through all the world, how the delegate can point fingers if the US arms are trafficked to the taliban militia that the United States fights in Afghanistan and by that creating a case of Afghan refugees going to Iran?
And Their is no proof about the involvement of the Sudan government with the " suddenly appearance" of warfare materials.

The Islamic Republic of Iran

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36 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 6th 2009, 12:52

We have two choices here, pick the one that seems the most appropriate.

1) The Sudanese government is supplying the Janjaweed with military grade bellic equipment. There are arms dealers all over the world. But very, very few who have access to such equipment, equipment which the janjaweed is using. The possibility that the janjaweed is buying this equipment directly from governments is in itself preposterous, for even if they were in negotiations, they would not have the money to buy the large quantities of equipment usually involved in negotiations of the type. The logical thing to assume here is that the Sudanese government is subsidizing the janjaweed through the means of supplying them with weapons. But then again, this is only one option.

2) Zeus parachuted the weapons into the Janjaweed Camps, with a handwritten note saying "Make me proud boys."

The choice is up to you.

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37 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 10th 2009, 14:02

Delegate of Iran,



First of all the USA admires the delegate’s concern with the issue, but in no way is the Iranian statement trustworthy and…true. As stated a million times before and emphasized by the delegate of UK, the only plausible option would have to be number 1 (let’s face it, Zeus is too righteous to deal with Janjaweed and the Sudanese government) , as there is proof enough that these weapons are being handed to the militia.

Concerning the American weapons reaching the Taliban, the information the delegate stated is not following the correct lines. First, IF any weapons belonging to the US reached the Taliban, then it was the lack of compromise from the Afghan government, as the weapons sent to control the Taliban disappeared in Afghan territory. (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/20/world/asia/20ammo.html?_r=1&hp)a

Also, IF THERE IS A NATION WHO PROVIDED THE TALIBAN WITH WEAPONS, THAT COUNTRY WAS IRAN. It was known that Iran as a government deliberately handed weapons to the Taliban in 2007 when fighting the British

“The news that Taliban rebels are being armed with Iranian-supplied weapons poses an added threat to the 5,000 British troops battling insurgents in southern Afghanistan. “I have to tell the truth. It is clear to everyone that Iran is supporting the enemy of Afghanistan, the Taliban,” Colonel Rahmatullah Safi, head of border police for western Afghanistan, told The Sunday Times.” The words from an Afgahn proof enough that Afghanistan is aware of such case and that Iran was actually the one who supported such terrorist groups.



So delegate, citing the words before, how can the delegate can point fingers if the IRANIAN arms are trafficked to the taliban militia?

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38 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 10th 2009, 21:08

At first delegate,

If the delegate wants to state something use a reliable source not a source as the NY TIMES that has a lot and a lot of BIAS that breaks it all.

And why, why delegate would Iran send to the Taliban arms and warfare equipment if the conflict makes Iran a constant asylum for 884,770 Afghan refugees and more 55,710 Iraqi refugees that had Iran as home since the conflict started by US ex-president Bush.By making each one legalized and secure at the Iran's Islamic Republic.If those people are in the Iranian territory and legalized,thus Iran has to feed and host them.

WHY would Iran aid the Taliban if they aid the Afghan refugees that are the consequences of the conflict. THAT MAKES NO SENSE!!!

And Delegate this is a reliable source:
http://www.unhcr.org/cgi-bin/texis/vtx/page?page=49e486f96

The Islamic Republic of Iran

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39 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 10th 2009, 21:44

There are maany things that dont really make sense delegate. Stricking nations off the map, proposing untrostworthy nuclear programs...but the American delegate would like the Iranian delegate to refrase the previous post as such is not clearly stated. The US wants to fully understand what the delegate means before stating anything else.
Anyway, the site the delegate just posted is Irans profile in the UNHCR. Thanks for teaching the US a little more about the nation delegate, but the delegate believes the US knows enough about Iran to understand it is not worth trusting.
Until a response, the US keeps its position about the topic in subject.



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40 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 11th 2009, 08:11

Delegate of Iran:
In Iran's source, it states Iran's main objectives are:


  • Enhance the international community's awareness and recognition of the Iranian authorities' three-decades-old hosting of refugees;
  • Work with the Government to strengthen the protection of Afghan and Iraqi refugees and the asylum environment;
  • Support the voluntary repatriation of registered Afghan and Iraqi refugees as appropriate;
  • Provide targeted assistance to Afghan and Iraqi refugees with specific needs to enhance their self-reliance, allowing them to rebuild their lives upon return home; and
  • Encourage the Iranian authorities to use bilateral channels with the Government of Afghanistan to discuss the management of migration issues.

This seems like Iran does not mind the refugees, and if Iran doesn't like 'bias' US positions, how about the Britain and U.K.?
commander of Nato forces in Afghanistan, US Army General Dan McNeill, stated that after finding more than 50 roadside bombs and timers on the border from Iran proves that Iran's Quds Revolutionary Guards are actively supplying the Taliban. The US and Britain have accused Iran of arming Iraqi rebels with bombs.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1565106/Iran-arming-Taliban-with-roadside-bombs.html



In BBC News, Afganistan, Taliban members stated they received Iranian-made arms from smugglers and unknown characters in Iran. UK troops have intercepted arms that an Iranian group was giving to the Taliban.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7616429.stm

So explain, delegate, how all of these facts and claims are possible if Iran has nothing to do with it? How so many people are convinced if Iran is as innocent as it thinks? Please, explain.

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41 Re: Darfur Crisis on November 19th 2009, 20:14

Does the delegate of Chad believe that the tensions between the local Chadian population and Darfurian refugees in the area due to the limitation of food and water will interfere with peace and security in such regions given that the locals themselves have little resources to survive on?

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