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26 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on October 23rd 2009, 23:16

There is an fuccint saying in portugues as follows: "tell me with whom you associate and i will tell YOU who you are". If Venezuela is allied to Iran, then inderectly it has allied itself to North Korea as well. No one can denie that North Korea is a rogue state, which posessess atom bombs and into continental rockets. North Korea is perfectly capable of, in a sit of insanity launching a nuclear attack against South Korea, Japan, all the USA, precipetating a world wide nuclear war.
The Delegation of Chile is not laking in respect for Venezuela, the delegation simply states the facts. Nothing is harder to deny than facts.






Delegate of
Chile, the Delegation of Venezuela doesn't want to take this personally, but
the delegate is irrelevant - no offense. Chile is allied to the US - the
biggest human right violators, the nation who used two nuclear bombs, that was
present in severe interventions in other nations. But luckily, Venezuela
doesn't believe in this extraneous Portuguese saying, and Venezuela seeks for
good relationship with the US.

Iran. North Korea. The last time the delegation of Venezuela checked the issue
in discuss was Colombia. Delegation of Chile, Venezuela is against North Korea
nuclear weapons program, and the delegate should research why North Korea began
their nuclear power after all and maybe the delegate will take back what it
said or maybe even post a reply in the ASIAN forum.

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27 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on October 24th 2009, 01:02

Delegate of Venezuela please, can you explain me how the U.S imposes threat to your nation? It doesn't even make sense since Venezuela already imposes a threat to the nation itself. Chavez link to the terrorism group already take cares of the subject that relies on threat. The U.S., is willing to help the Colombian nation in all ways, and if one of them is to establish bases, good. The U.S is the number 1 power that helps the world with financial aid. The U.s has a history of success in helping many nations, while Venezuela, well, not many, since it is already occupied trying to fix its own country. So please, delegate restate your opinion about the US because it accomplished auccessful aids in South American nations, like my fellow colleage has stated. The bases will cause in Colombian nation a sense of safety unlike Venezuelan's own state.

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28 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on October 24th 2009, 08:37

DELEGATION
OF US: Venezuela never said US was a threat to Venezuela, but the US military
bases that are planning to border the Colombian/Venezuelan border is defiantly
a threat. Colombia had invaded Ecuador, and the Delegate of Colombia said in
this topic that it would invade any country if a Colombian revolutionary group
is in it. And then, it’s not only Venezuela who sees US intervention as a
threat. Brazil, Bolivia, Ecuador, Peru and Argentina has also recently close
arm deals ... entire South America has, that’s why together South America spent
over 51 billion in weapons.

The Delegate of US said Chavez is linked to a terrorist group, but the delegate
didn't say which. But that’s okay, because Chavez isn't linked to any.

The delegation of Venezuela won't deny US has given a lot of financial aids
that resulted in many good oportunities for other nation, because its true.
However, look what US 'financial' aid is doing to Israel, look what it did to
Cuba, and the only reason why Venezuela is not that active in financial aid is
because it doesn't have enough money to do so, and one of the causes of that
was US' intervention in Venezuela. At least, Venezuela hasn't caused any
damage, and the delegate must be aware that Venezuela created the Petrocaribe,
where it gives 200,000 barrels of petroleum a day for Central American and Caribbean
Nations, and Venezuela dedicates most of its aids in help these two regions
because they were the one that suffered the most from US' intervention, such as
US' food company. And the delegate of US should know that Venezuela do what is
possible to help, that’s why Venezuela has been more frequently a donor than a
recipient of foreign assistance.

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29 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on October 25th 2009, 20:52

Delegate of Venezuela, the topic here is not about how much Venezuela can give or has given for aid. We are here to discuss how important it is to fight against narco-terrorism because this traffic is not only dangerous for Colombia but to the entire world and it has to be fought aggressively in order to stop it. Venezuela should know that it’s not possible for a single country in Latin America to combat narco-terrorism by itself and that US can’t fight against narco-traffic by itself because the drugs are produced in Colombian territory. The presence of the US in the attempt of reducing drug production in Colombia and the delivery to the US is essential and this is the only focus of the military bases in Colombia.

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30 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on October 26th 2009, 21:01

colombia_andrea wrote:Delegate of Venezuela, the topic here is not about how much Venezuela can give or has given for aid. We are here to discuss how important it is to fight against narco-terrorism because this traffic is not only dangerous for Colombia but to the entire world and it has to be fought aggressively in order to stop it. Venezuela should know that it’s not possible for a single country in Latin America to combat narco-terrorism by itself and that US can’t fight against narco-traffic by itself because the drugs are produced in Colombian territory. The presence of the US in the attempt of reducing drug production in Colombia and the delivery to the US is essential and this is the only focus of the military bases in Colombia.






First of
all, Venezuela is aware of what is being discussed, the delegation of Venezuela
was just answering to a contradictory statement. Venezuela doesn’t ignore other
delegations' question or statements, not much like Colombia who is still
ignoring post #13. It's quite hard to face the truth when there were critical
mistakes, isn't it?

Delegate, if Colombia wants to fight "terrorism" - which by the way
drug trafficking is not -by invading Ecuador illegally, by putting in
extinction its' indigenous population, and by receiving billions of dollars in military
aid, then Venezuela will be strictly against it in all measures. But if
Colombia wants to fight its "terrorism" by adding military bases in
the Colombian/Venezuelan border that WILL threaten the Venezuelan territory,
citizens and the nation as a whole and could possibly turn into Colombia's
second illegal invasion in this century, Venezuela won't be just against it.
The delegates must be aware that Venezuela has bought new technology regarding
weapons and has put its troop in alert. Venezuela has no intension in
attacking, but be aware delegate, that Venezuela has all intensions to defend
it citizens and territory, and any minor actions towards Venezuela's embassy in
Bogotá will give Venezuela a reason.

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31 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on October 29th 2009, 23:33

Dear Colombian delegates, Brasil strongly believes each country should mantain it's sovereignty! When your leaders are allowing American bases to be installed within your country, you're not only showing your population their own government can't take care of them, but showing the world you're a mere pawn for the Americans. Not forgething in case of international disputes over issues, the USA will know exactly how to handle your country, and will have a military base within Latin America, which is a risk for every nation.

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32 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 2nd 2009, 19:32

Delegate from Venezuela is trying to ignore the ties between the narco-trafic and the guerrilla. The Delegates of Venezuela prefer to ignore the terrible effects the narco-trafic produces to the national economy and the international health. The Venezuelan Delegates prefer to discuss about a so-called military invasion when we are talking about erradicating narco-trafic, the guerrillas that support them. The Colombia has evidence that there are governments who support Colombian guerrillas. We believe that supporting Colombian guerrillas means supporting the narco-traffic who finances those guerillas. Venezuelan delegates do not want to take an open position on narco-traffic and prefer to distract the international opinion by talking about a so-called foreign miltary intervention. delegates, let's focus the debate: who finances the guerrillas in Colombia? Who supports politically the guerrillas in Colombia?



Dear Delegates of Brasil: We are discussing about erradicating narco-traffic and guerrillas in Colombia. The narco-traffic has its distribution channels in the USA. If Brasil has the technology, the intelligence and the military capacity of fighting the narco-traffic and the guerrillas who defend it, we are best willing to discuss about a Brazilian aid to Colombia with that objective.

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33 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 3rd 2009, 20:37

Venezuela never did, will, or has ignored drug trafficking ... and the delegate of Venezuela would love to here were did the delegate of Colombia read that Venezuela ignores drug trafficking. All Venezuela is saying is that there is no relationship between Venezuela's government and FARC, for that reason there is no proof that their is a relationship between the two.

"Venezuelan delegates [...] prefer to distract
the international opinion by talking about a so-called foreign miltary
intervention."

Excuse me, delegate of Colombia, if this "military intervention" means
noting to the delegate of Colombia. But Colombia bombed Ecuador,
Colombia killed 22 citizens, left over 100 wounded, Colombia embassor
was expelled, Grupo de Río condemed Colombia, Ecuador broke its
diplomatic relationship with Colombia, and yet the delegate of Colombia
talks as if it was un important.

This event is the proof of the lack of Uribe's morality. What happen in Ecuador could have happen in any nation. The lack of regret shown by the Colombian delegates shows that this situation is most likely to happen again. Now wonder Latin Ameirca spent over 51 billion dollars in arm deals.

Whatever FARC did was not a reason to invaded a country and kill citizen, as stated by the Grupo de Rio. Colombia's and US military deals and aid must be stoppen immediately, it threatens the entire Latin America, Central Amerrica and the Carribean. Venezuela's troops are not the only ones in alert, Venezuela closed a 2.2 billion arm deal with Russia, and just yesturday Venezuela closed it's border with Colombia. Venezuela will keep on taking high measures to protect its territory and citivens, and also to prevent another March 1st, until this military nonsense stops in Colombia.

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34 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 4th 2009, 18:14

Venezuela_Vanessa wrote:
Colombia's and US military deals and aid must be stoppen immediately, it threatens the entire Latin America, Central Amerrica and the Carribean. Venezuela's troops are not the only ones in alert, Venezuela closed a 2.2 billion arm deal with Russia, and just yesturday Venezuela closed it's border with Colombia. Venezuela will keep on taking high measures to protect its territory and citivens, and also to prevent another March 1st, until this military nonsense stops in Colombia.

Delegate of Venezuela, you criticize the United States and Colombia for creating a deal that provides the protection of Colombian citizens from threats such as the FARC. You criticize it, apparently, just for showing US influence in Latin America. However, isn't it rather hypocritical that you criticize our support in Colombia when your president has decided to "close a 2 billion arms deal" with Russia, arms which are for the protection against an unexistent enemy?

Furthermore, is it not also hypocritical that Venezuela criticizes the United States for trying to help Colombian citizens when in fact your president is doing absolutely nothing to improve Venezuelan citizens' life styles and living conditions?

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35 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 9th 2009, 15:56

Venezuela's arguments turn out to be irrelevant and hypocrite, since the only purpose Colombia has is to dismantle violence in the country! While Venezuelan's president, Hugo Chavez, prepared his armed forces to begin a war against Colombia. "Let's not waste a day on our main aim: to prepare for war and to help the people prepare for war" said Chavez. In addition, the Venezuelan leader also ordered 15,000 troops to the border of both countries. In contrast with Chavez's quote, Uribe has said "Colombia has not made nor will it make any bellicose move toward the international community, even less so toward fellow Latin American nations."
Ponder about this delegates, which country shows more intentions to threaten peace and security?

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36 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 11th 2009, 10:32

Delegate of US, Venezuela has spoken more than 500 times about the Russian and Venezuela arm deal, the delegate might want to look back at Venezuela's post instead of spending useful time in something already discussed.
Delegate of Colombia, all measures taken by the Venezuela government was to protect Venezuela's territory, military aid between Colombia and USA has grown and military bases are plan to be added to Venezuela's border with Colombia. Colombia already invaded Ecuador, and show no decent regrets. Venezuela has no intension of attacking, but defending its citizens and terrirory. And when the delegate of Venezuela say this, its speaking for all nation in south America that spent over 51 billion dollars in arm deal due to US intervention in Colombia and the tension between Colombia and Ecuador.
Venezuela won't let what happen in Ecuador (May 2008) repeat in Venezuela, Brazil or any other country who shares borders with Colombia.

And the delegate might want to look the word irrelevant in the dictionary.

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37 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 11th 2009, 11:42

The delegates of Brazil are, by here representing the Brazilian nation and its position in relation to other topics, extremely against the United States of America positioning military bases on Colombia.
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Brazil believes every country should maintain a right that was longed and fought for many years; sovereignty. This international right not only secures one country from another, but brings security to other nations around Colombia.

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38 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 11th 2009, 14:19

Delegate of Venezuela,
Colombia's only reason to enter Ecuador was once again, try to halt FARC's violent actions. This won't repeat in other countries if they are not supporting rebel groups, giving them economic aid and even providing them weapons. Ecuador's president received money for his presidential campaign from the FARC. Weren't Ecuadorean citizens needing Colombian interference given the fact that it is becoming evident that the government supports terrorist activity over the border in Colombia? The country has received funding from and now helps to fund and support terrorists. In addition to this, many more people could have died if the FARC group continued there and there was no help from another country.

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39 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 11th 2009, 18:57

There will come a time where Uribe will have to stop using FARC as an excusse for its crimes.

"In addition to this, many more people could have died if the FARC group
continued there and there was no help from another country." FARC, FARC, FARC ... all the delegate do is blame FARC. Well, its wasn't FARC who killed Ecuadorian citizens, and it isn't FARC who is responsible for the extinction of Colombia's indigenous population. No wonders millions of Colombia leave their country for Venezuela and Brazil.

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40 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 11th 2009, 19:51

Blaming actions on the FARC?
Delegate of Venezuela, your last post made me laugh. What IS funny, delegate, is that YOUR nation keeps blaming ITS actions on Colombia and the United States. "Oh, we just spent half of our nation's money on war planes and weapons, but it was because the United States exists." Venezuela keeps raising its military power to protect itself from a military threat that DOES NOT EXIST! Chavez keeps stating that he requires his 2.2 billion dollars arms deal with Russia to protect himself from Colombia. WHEN, delegate, WHEN did Uribe or the United States EVER make a MENTION of striking Venezuela?

"It wasn't FARC who killed Ecuadorian citizens."
No, but many MORE would have died if Colombia hadn't taken action.

"Now wonders millions of [Colombians] leave their country for Venezuela and Brazil."
Funny to hear that, coming from a nation whose president until now has taken NO actions regarding his people, except those to maintain himself eternally in power.

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41 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 12th 2009, 20:05

First of all, delegates, mucho gusto. The delegate of Cuba sends a warm greeting to all the nations of the Americas Caucus, and hope we will have porductive discussions. Also, the delgate does apologize for his delay: the flight from Havana happened to be a little rocky.


Now, to what matters. The nation that the delegate stands for is home of the most infamous and intrusive base the USA has ever built. Gitmo (Guantanamo) has proven an enormous burden and constant threat to Cuba's sovereignty, hampering the country's physical space and political integrity. Is not Cuba's example enough? How many more nations must have its land subjugated to another country? If Colombia does accept American military bases to be built, then the answer to the previous questions might be harder to answer than we thought. From Cuba's (and hopefully, any educated delegate's) perspective, foreign military bases have proven to ail the country far more than aid it. And sometimes it doesn't take an entire embargo to have this foresight: sometimes, all you have to do is read the fine print. According to the Complementation Agreement for Defense and Security Cooperation and Technical Assistance between the Governments of Colombia and the United States itself, a few amenities the USA will have in its new belicose backyard:

-The occupants can commit any crime anywhere in Colombia against Colombian families, property and laws and still be unaccountable to the country’s authorities.

- The limit set with regards to the total number of soldiers can be modified as requested by the United States, and with no restriction whatsoever. (A complementary fact: for the year of 2008, the USA has had a standing army of 1,097,050 soldiers.)

-This treaty will be kept for 10 year spans, and can only be terminated at the end of each cycle with a one-year prior notice.

This being, the delegation of Cuba sourly condemns American bases on Colombian soil. Cordiales Saludos,
Luis Otávio Bochner

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42 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 15th 2009, 18:57

Delegate of Cuba, on the second da of his presidency President oBama has a priority in his schedule, closing Guatanamo Bay. Obama said that the reason for the closure was to "restore the standards of due process and the core constitutional values that have made this country great even in the midst of war, even in dealing with terrorism." obama also banned torture and required that the Army field manual would be used as the guide for terrorism interrogations. There is no need to discuss a problem that has already been solved. Also the bases have only one purpose delegates to impede the drug trafficking from happening and not to start a war with Venezuela like HUgo Chávez has said.

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43 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 15th 2009, 21:58

Indeed, delegate, Gitmo is in closure process. The part of the post where Gitmo was mentioned was as a valid example, nothing more. Matter of fact, Cuba congratulates your country for this salutary progress.


But history is a shrewd institution, and current events are shrewder; and the connection between past and present, although elusive is the shrewdest institution of all. History has shown that, as soon as Cuba posed a threat to the USA, Guantanamo (orgininally made for "all things necessary to fit the premises for use as coaling or naval stations only, and for no other purpose") became a military base far from its intended purpose. Current events show that the installation of bases violates Article 173 of the Colombian Consitution, that American Congress has no control over the funding (i.e. actions) over the bases, and that the bases are closer to Venezuela and farther from the Pacific Coast and Manta (two key locations for current counternarcotic operations) than expected.


The delegate of Cuba leaves the connections for the other delegates to make.
Hasta Luego,
Luis Otávio Bochner

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44 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 16th 2009, 09:26

IRRELEVANT DELEGATE OF US: The delegate is saying that there is no reason for a 2.2 dollars arm deal between Russia and Venezuela? The delegate believes that the arm deals between Brazil and France, Bolivia and Russia, Ecuador and Russia and all the other countries in South America who spent 51 billion dollars in arm deals recently? So you're calling the whole South America irrelevant, for they made unnecessary arm deals? Then what was May 1st, 2008, what was July 28 and October 30 this year? Nothing? So Colombia is allowed to be the 3 largest recipient of US military aids, Colombia is allowed to bomb Ecuador and to expand US military bases in South America ... but all the other South American nations are not allowed to make arm deals?
Delegate, Colombia is turning into a terrorist state, not because of FARC because of the government. And when the delegate say government, the delegate is not saying Alvaro Uribe - because all he does is what US told him to - the delegation is talking about the US. US can just give military aids, increase their power in military bases and expect us all to do nothing. Everything South America did was a response to US government actions in Colombia.
Good ideas bringing up Guantanamo Bay, delegate of Cuba. Because Colombia is becoming US' Guantanamo Bay in South America. And even though every country in the SA nation has shown in concern about the issue, US and Colombia does nothing to solve it. There will come a time when FARC will end, and the Colombian and American government will have to find another excuse to bomb Ecuador and oust Hugo Chavez.

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45 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 16th 2009, 19:06

I'm sorry delegate of Venezuela, the delegate of the uS asn't able to express its opinion correctly. The arms deal with Russia is not irrelevant on the contrary, you are in the brink of war with Colombia blaming the USA for being the reason when in fact HUgo Chavez is the main reason because the military bases have only one use impeding drug trafficking and not harming Venezuela like Venezuela did with Colombia by sending 15,000 troops the border between your nation and Colombia.

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46 Re: Colombian territorial sovereignty on November 16th 2009, 19:15

Please could the delegate of Cuba states its question of?

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