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1 Kashmir Conflict on October 17th 2009, 17:55

As the delegate of Pakistan I would like to bring up the discussion on the Kashmir conflict.

Pakistan plans to urge a demographic scanning over Kashmir so the precise percentages of ethnic groups are calculated. With this, it will be proven that the majority of Kashmir is made up of Muslims. The delegate of Pakistan will pledge the country of India to follow the two-nation theory from which both nations were created in 1947 which stated that India and Pakistan would be divided into a Hindu and Muslim state respectively.

For these reasons Pakistan should have control over Kashmir.

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2 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 17th 2009, 18:36

Pakistani Delegation,

Due to recent cooperation and dedication to our resolution, North Korea will be willing to sign on as a co-submitter of this resolution as well. North Korea feels very similar to the way Pakistan does due to the DMZ and the North and South Korea split.

After a rough draft of Pakistan's resolution, the North Korean Delegation is confident it would aid you by singing on.

North Korean Delegate,
Tyler Simpson

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3 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 18th 2009, 09:53

Thank you delegate of NK, Pakistan really appreciates the support from NK reguradeing the Kashmir conflict.

As for the Chair and Co-Chair, Milla and Paula, if you could please tell me as soon as possible when the delegates of other schools have been assigned to countries in the Asian caucus such as India, China, Afghanistan, or others, it would be very useful. Also because it would create a more fruitful debate because these countries are very significant to topics such as the Kashmir conflict, NK nuclear power, and national terrorism.

Kristian
Pakistan

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4 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 18th 2009, 11:26

Pakistani Delegation,

North Korea agrees with your ideas for a resolution and at this time will not find it hard to support your resolution.

As for the Chair and Co-Chair, Delegate Kristian of Pakistan is correct. If the Delegations of the Asian Caucus could be alerted and notified of other countries joining on from other schools. It would be useful in order to gather opinions and create further alliances.

North Korean Delegate,
Tyler Simpson

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5 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 18th 2009, 13:49

Delegate of Pakistan

Until further information, Japan will be in favor of letting Pakistan possessing the territory of Kashmir. The delegate of Japan thinks that the fact that there is a huge percentage of Muslim people. Japan is really concern about religious matter since hundreds of years.

good luck delegate of Pakistan

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6 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 18th 2009, 18:42

Pakistani Delegation,

The North Korean Delegation will also support Pakistan's resolutuion until further information is provided to force North Korea to change it's opinion about supporting your resolution.

However, such information will likely remain unfound, so at this point, consider North Korea to be on board with your resolution.

North Korean Delegate,
Tyler Simpson

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7 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 18th 2009, 18:55

Delegates, we still don't have that information from the visiting schools. As soon as we have the countries chosen by the students we will notify everyone and urge them to register in the forum as soon as possible! We want this information as much as you do! Don't worry about this for the moment. Smile

Milla

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8 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 18th 2009, 18:59

Co-Chair Milla,

The Pakistani and North Korean Delegations thank you for this update. Hope the foriegn school sign on soon!

North Korean Delegate,
Tyler Simpson

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9 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 18th 2009, 19:44

i would like to thank delegates Tyler Simpson and Prosper Cumps-Ruelle for all the support and for keeping this an interesting subject, hopefully the other schools will be able to sign up soon so we all can have a great debate

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10 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 19th 2009, 13:03

Pakistani Delegation,

The North Korean Delegation accepts you thanks and would like to inform Pakistan that Morth Korea is still on board as far as voting about the Kashmir conflict.

North Korean Delegate,
Tyler Simpson

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11 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 21st 2009, 21:58

Venezuela is not very active and present in the Kashmir issue as it is in other issues, but the Delegation of Venezuela would like to notify that Venezuela believes Kashimir is India and therefore Kashimir should still be part of India.

The world already passed through the phase of terriotoral dispute, Kashmir is part of India the same way Tibet is part of China, just face the facts!

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12 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 29th 2009, 15:23

The world already passed through the phase of terriotoral dispute, Kashmir is part of India the same way Tibet is part of China, just face the facts!
Delegate of venezuela

the delegate of Japan would like to say that even if Kashmir is already part of India, it won't change the fact that most people, especially muslims, want to be part of Pakistan so they can be in their religious territory. Kashmir has been fused with India, we can't do anything about it. But the fact that we still call this territory Kasmir, and not India means that there are some issues that still separes India from Kashmir, and this issue is Ethnicity.

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13 Re: Kashmir Conflict on October 30th 2009, 11:14

Delegates,

The North Korean Delegation findsit hard for Kashmir to automatically be a part of India when there are people in Kashmir that are resisting citizenship of India. North Korea does not believe a problem such as this one can be solved solely based on the facts.

North Korean Delegate
Tyler Simpson

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14 Re: Kashmir Conflict on November 1st 2009, 00:29

The delegate of South Korea would like to inform that its country position in the Kashmir conflict is to a plebiscite to be realized! The people that today live in the Kashmir Valley already showed there desire to become an independent state and 75 per cent of the people would choose to become an independent state.

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15 Re: Kashmir Conflict on November 1st 2009, 20:49

delegate of South Korea, the delegate of Pakistan would like to inform you on the purpose of the plebiscite. It was formed so to create peace, to FAIRLY decide the fate of Kashmir but it does NOT support this idea at all. How can Kashmir be fairly elected as a part of India if about 95% of Kashmir valley in living as a part of India AGAINST THEIR WILL.

And the plebiscite, Pakistan offered to follow through with this a while ago, but India disagreed to follow through with it because they were scared of losing Kashmir completely. Pakistan realizes that the current population of Kashmir will choose Pakistan over India, so it is only FAIR that Kashmir should belong to Pakistan.

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16 Re: Kashmir Conflict on November 2nd 2009, 02:38

Delegate of Pakistan,
The delegate of South Korea wasn't clear enough, South Korea defends the policy of having a plebiscite in the Kashmir Valley so that the people can choose if they want to become part of India, Pakistan or an independent states. Researches were made and showed that 75 per cent of the population defends the idea of becoming an independent state. The reason why SK defends this is for the creation of PEACE, different with what happened with the "Koreas" that are in a confusion still today. But a plebiscite will not be the only solution for this issue, a peace agreement after need to be made and the cooperation of India AND Pakistan, because IF the people choose it to become an independent state, its going to be land locked and without the help of the bordering countries, it won't develop. A resolution was already passed requiring a plebiscite, India initially agreed, if Pakistan took the troops out of the borders, which didn't happened.
India can be scarred of loosing the Kashmir, since if the option of creating an independent state isn’t accomplished or possible, Pakistan would have the Kashmir if people choose. But South Korea is not taking sides, its simply transmitting the voice of the Kashmir population and there wants!
India and Pakistan have nuclear weapons and threaten each other with them, a action that SK don't supports at all, that's why it wants to end this issue in a peaceful way in which India, Pakistan and especially the Kashmir citizens satisfied!

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17 Re: Kashmir Conflict on November 3rd 2009, 15:14

The Delegate of South Korea should be aware that by annexing Kashmir to Pakistan (which is recommended since more than half of the population is Muslim) it would be proposing a plan to advance Kashmir's economy through the active export. To develop an economy with no influence or help from other nations is an extremely difficult task, so the annexation can be seen as beneficial to the development of Kashmir.

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18 Re: Kashmir Conflict on November 3rd 2009, 20:10

The delegate of Pakistan first thanks the delegate of NK of their support, but the delegate of Pakistan wants to stress if Pakistan were to take control over Kashmir, Pakistan would MAKE SURE TO:

- Sponsor the establishment of free trade market in the region, to ameliorate Kashmir’s economy, and make it competitive in the international market with the trade of, Agricultural products, Manufacture, and Services.

- Call upon a monetary contribution from World Bank and the Asian Development Bank for the revitalization of Kashmir, in order to: build effective health systems, build Pakistani language schools in Kashmir major cities, aid unemployed people to stabilize their situations until finding a job, revitalize infrastructure damaged by conflict in the region.

- Request the intervention of UNESCO and UNICEF in Kashmir, in order to provide free education to poor and unfortunate Kashmiri children, dialogues between Hindu and Muslim community, initiation for adults about Western Democracy principles.

The delegate of Pakistan suspects that SK wants what is best for the Kashmiri people. Fellow delegate of SK, Pakistan only WANT TO HELP the people of Kashmir. We wish to DRAMATICALLY boost their economy by the tasks above. SURLEY SK can respect that in terms of the Kashmiri people! Kashmir simply DON’T have the support of enough countries to aid their own economy, so Pakistan propose this resolution on behalf of the Kashmiri people. And delegate of SK, SURLEY Pakistan DON’T want another war, especially not a nuclear war. That is why a fair decision NEEDS to be made NOW. Kashmir becoming an independent state is obviously not possible.. So the only way SK can help this international conflict is by HELPING Kashmir! The delegate of Pakistan provides a resolution to accomplish this!

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19 Re: Kashmir Conflict on November 8th 2009, 19:34

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The delegate of Pakistan suspects that SK wants what is best for the Kashmiri people. Fellow delegate of SK, Pakistan only WANT TO HELP the people of Kashmir. We wish to DRAMATICALLY boost their economy by the tasks above. SURLEY SK can respect that in terms of the Kashmiri people! Kashmir simply DON’T have the support of enough countries to aid their own economy, so Pakistan propose this resolution on behalf of the Kashmiri people. And delegate of SK, SURLEY Pakistan DON’T want another war, especially not a nuclear war. That is why a fair decision NEEDS to be made NOW. Kashmir becoming an independent state is obviously not possible.. So the only way SK can help this international conflict is by HELPING Kashmir! The delegate of Pakistan provides a resolution to accomplish this!

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The delegate of Pakistan is correct when it says that South Korea is looking towards the best solution for the Kashmir conflict even though its not directly involved it is always looking for what the people want and to the people to decide. But the delegate still has a question, why they are becoming part of Pakistan not of India? Because of their religion? Because they are going to choose? Since there is no possibility of the Kashmir becoming independent, why can’t we do a plebiscite with the two options being Pakistan and India, just to have the people’s voice?

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20 Re: Kashmir Conflict on November 9th 2009, 21:58

South Korea_Alana wrote:The delegate of Pakistan is correct when it says that South Korea is looking towards the best solution for the Kashmir conflict even though its not directly involved it is always looking for what the people want and to the people to decide. But the delegate still has a question, why they are becoming part of Pakistan not of India? Because of their religion? Because they are going to choose? Since there is no possibility of the Kashmir becoming independent, why can’t we do a plebiscite with the two options being Pakistan and India, just to have the people’s voice?

Delegate of SK, the delegate of Pakistan completely agrees with your ideas and to answer your questions-

why they are becoming part of Pakistan not of India?
Because of their religion? delegate, it has already been proven a number of times that the majority of Kashmir is Muslim, and that doesn't need t be said again. But also, in Kashmir valley (a state of kashmir ruled by India) the population is 95% muslim!! and they live under control of india against their will!! It will not bring peace to those of Kashmir if taken over by India, but those wholive under controll of Pakistan live satisfied

Since there is no possibility of the Kashmir becoming independent, why
can’t we do a plebiscite with the two options being Pakistan and India,
just to have the people’s voice?
Delegate, the peoples voice has been heard! it has already been internationaly thought that Kashmiri citezens will choose Paksitan over India. That is why India refused to follow through with the plebiscite reguardless of the many resolutions passed by the UN. But delegate, the reason why this suggestion isn't included in our resolution, is becuase we have made our resolution satify the needs of YOUR country, SK, but also for INDIA! India will simply not allow or agree with a choice of the Kashmiri to be heard as it has been proved before. But for the country that doesnt attain power of Kashmir, Paksitan has offered a profit of 20% or so from Kashmir's market, and will aslo get a certain amount of money from the UN and its nations. Delegate, this is a chance SK especially can't refuse! this will satfiy the VOICE of the people of Kashmir! and that is what SK stands for!

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21 Re: Kashmir Conflict on November 11th 2009, 21:02

Venezuela_Vanessa wrote:Venezuela is not very active and present in the Kashmir issue as it is in other issues, but the Delegation of Venezuela would like to notify that Venezuela believes Kashimir is India and therefore Kashimir should still be part of India.

The world already passed through the phase of terriotoral dispute, Kashmir is part of India the same way Tibet is part of China, just face the facts!
Delegate of Venezuela, as you stated- "Venezuela is not very active and present in the Kashmir issue" this tells me that the delegate of Venezuela is not well prepared for making ANY argument about the Kashmir conflict so, please delegate of Venezuela. And also, be more respecful when making posts- " Just face the facts! " is not very polite, at least its not when arguing such an important issue.
Reminding all delegates that in 1947, Pakistan and India had decided that the allegiance of the state of Kashmir would be decided by a plebistice; the majority of the votes were in favor of Pakistan meaning that the whole state will form part of Pakistan but, India in the other hand, did not followed with what was agreed by both nations.

Delegate of Pakistan Diego Hernandez

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22 Re: Kashmir Conflict on November 12th 2009, 23:39

Also delegates, especialy SK, this should completly convince you how Pakistan cares for the Kashmiri citezens and their decisions..and not for selfish reasons.


-"The President of Pakistan, Pervez Musharraf, has offered to drop a 50-year-old demand for a referendum on the future of Kashmir and to meet India "halfway" in the search for a peaceful settlement."

-"Pakistan was prepared, he said, to be "bold and flexible" to resolve the conflict which has brought nuclear-armed India and Pakistan to war twice since 1947 and to the brink of war in 2002."

General Musharraf (of Pakistan) warned India against failing to seize his offer. "The basis of everything, the basis of a reduction in militancy ... is moving forward on a process of dialogue. If that political dialogue doesn't come about, who wins and who loses? It is the moderates who lose and the extremists who win, and that is exactly what has been happening."

General Musharraf said he would not beg for a meeting. "The ball is in his court. If he wants to meet me, I'll meet him. If he doesn't want to meet me, I am not that keen."

delegates, Pakistan has long held the position that a United Nations-supervised plebiscite should give the people of Indian-ruled Kashmir the right to decide whether their political future lies with India or Pakistan. So SK, your concerns about the outcome of the plebiscite, and how the kashmiri citezens should get a vote, well Pakistan has already offered that which is clearly stated in this post. But as i have said before, India will not follow through, therefore, Pakistan takes a different approach with this resolution which SK must support!

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23 Japan's point of View on November 14th 2009, 18:27

Hello,
for the delegate of Japan the Kashmir conflict is a really important issue, because both Pakistan and India have nuclear weapons and Japan felt on his on country how bad a nuclear war will end. The nuclear war is a really cruel death for a lot of people and it wont really help anyone.
Japan is in favour to support any resolution which makes the people that live in Kashmir happy.
The delegate of Japan sees to possible solutions.
The first is to do a plebiscite, a vote for all people that live in Kashmir so that they can decide over their own future.
The second is to let Kashmir become a autonomy state. While Kashmir got transformed to a autonomy state, Japan wants that it will be supported by some UN institutions like UNDP so that the transformation runs well.

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24 Re: Kashmir Conflict on November 15th 2009, 12:47

delegate of Japan, please read posts 18, 20, and 22, for they are clear responses to SK which stated almost the same thing as you did before. But delegate, Pakistan cares for the kashmiri citezens as much as Japan does, but becoming an indepedent nation is unavailable. Pakistan would want a plebisite with only two choices but India won't pledge to do the same(as stated in previous post.) again, the delegate of Pakistan advices Japan to read post 18, 20, and 22.

thank you

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25 Right on November 15th 2009, 18:18

Delegate of Pakistan you are complety right. I didn't notice this post.

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