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1Piracy in Somalia Empty Piracy in Somalia on October 20th 2009, 21:46

CoChairAfrica_Pedro


Gustavo and I are going to give overviews and post articles about the Piracy in Somalia and specifically South Africa's question of for SALMUN, which is:




Effective measures to reduce piracy in Somalia




start posting replies with information and with each countries view towards this issue and relevant arguments to defend such position.

South Africa_Felipe


The delagate of South Africa would like to remember that in January 2009 Somali pirates freed the Saudi supertanker whose capture two months earlier drew the world's attention to the surge in piracy off the Horn of Africa.

3Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on October 22nd 2009, 14:00

South Africa_Felipe


Also remembering that the pirates are very well equipped and they obtain the GPS system which helps them a lot find the ships and rob.

South Africa_Felipe


In October 6, 2009 the United Nations Security Council adopted the resolution 1838, applying to all nations with vessels in the area to put their military force to end up with the acts of piracy.

5Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on October 22nd 2009, 14:05

South Africa_Felipe


The delagate of South Africa is deeply concerned that the Pirate groups that were reported of receiving the ransoms were the Al-Shabaab which was considerate by the United States of America a terrorist oganization this year, The money used to finance the war this year was of 18 to 30 million dollars.

6Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on October 23rd 2009, 12:51

South Africa_Mario

South Africa_Mario
Somalia is considered a failled state, and its GDP is 2 billion dollars per year so there needs to be a lot of money help and land security so that the problem doesn´t continue proliferating in Somalia.

7Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on October 23rd 2009, 22:19

CoChairAfrica_Pedro


Delegate, really good posts, relevant and informative, but there was no need to separate one post into 5. We will be checking the efficiency and coherence, and not the quantity anymore, there iso no need for such approach.
So delegate of South Africa, what is South Africa already doing to solve this issue? Has Somali government worked in comppliance with effective measures to quell the acts of piracy in the region? What have other african nations, NGO's, the African Union and the United Nations, as well as countries from outside the continent (please don't keep too much of a focus in them) done to either help improve or make processes even harder?
involve other nations in your discussion

8Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on October 24th 2009, 15:30

Kenya_Wan Len


The delegate of Kenya believes that Piracy is a big issue in the world today, and it has been affecting every country by it in some way,because of economic reasons. Kenya has been commited to combat and stop the Somalia Pirates and it has been working with the US government by accepting pirates in our courts. Kenya proposes that the first step to solve piracy is by creating stability in Somalia. Instablility had been the cause for the piracy and by reparing the country's structure will prevent further problems. The delegate also believe that with the peacekeeping troops, will help the Somalia government.

9Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on October 25th 2009, 17:11

Kenya_Wan Len


Delegates! this site has good infos about piracy in Somalia!
http://www.csmonitor.com/2008/1120/p25s22-woaf.html

10Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on October 25th 2009, 23:03

CoChairAfrica_Pedro


Interesting profile on Abshir Boyah, Somalia's leading pirate. This has interesting implications/ideas for solvency--cooperation of Muslim sheikhs, new Somali government, etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/09/world/africa/09pirate.html?pagewanted=all

11Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on October 25th 2009, 23:03

CoChairAfrica_Pedro


Its interesting to see another perspective of the issue being discussed, this makes the plan more feasible since it consideres both sides of the issue

12Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on October 29th 2009, 09:20

Rwanda_Nick

Rwanda_Nick
The delegate of Rwanda agrees with the delegate of Kenya
All of these criminal actions are happening because of the instability of Somalia's economy, which led the people to take some action towards their living, if they wanted to continue buying their supplies they would have to create a different way to gain money, so they invested on weapons and began the piracy business.
So the best way to solve the problem is to invest on Somalia's economy

13Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on November 2nd 2009, 23:53

South Africa_Mario

South Africa_Mario
It is not only important to state that the government of somalia is really poor, but that the pirates are still very strong and not only try to stop them by land, but directly in the sea by preventing the attacks

14Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on November 3rd 2009, 14:28

Sudan_BrunoAlves

Sudan_BrunoAlves
It also important to think how these pirates have a world wide reprecutions. Lots of cargo where stole from other nations, which can further on become a greter issue!
Ea!

15Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on November 5th 2009, 08:16

USA_Lucas

USA_Lucas
South Africa_Mario wrote:the government of somalia is really poor

Government?? Just a correction - Somalia is a failed state. It has no government.

16Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on November 5th 2009, 10:48

Rwanda_Nick

Rwanda_Nick
The fact that Somalia is very poor really relates to the current situation, the somali pirates only entered this line of business because they weren't getting enough money to sustain themselves working legally
Therefore, if there is a the creation of a government, and an mprovement in economy, there will certainly be some changes on the amount of people entering the piracy business. So Somalia should be helped economically.
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17Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on November 8th 2009, 20:26

South Africa_Mario

South Africa_Mario
It is not only important to state that the pirates are hijacking the ships, but they are also making the crew members hostages, and asking high money quantities to give them back. So there needs to be an fast intervention on this area for no futher hostages, rinking the peoples lives and giving the pirates more money.

18Piracy in Somalia Empty Reasons! on November 10th 2009, 14:03

NKorea_PauloC

NKorea_PauloC
The delegates seem to have spoken only about the actions commited by the pirates but has any delegation here present stopped to wonder what started this all?! Somalia is today a failed state with no goverment at all, its inflation is in the house of trillions and crimes are rendered unstopably. The delegation of North Korea would suggest observing these causes before condemning the pirates which saw in piracy a final way to survive...

19Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on November 10th 2009, 14:13

USA_Lucas

USA_Lucas
NKorea_PauloC wrote:The delegation of North Korea would suggest observing these causes before condemning the pirates which saw in piracy a final way to survive

Yes. And let's start giving pirates homes and paying them salaries so that they can make a living out of piracy. Beyond that, why don't we also start, instead of arresting robbers, giving them medals for the recognition of the bravery and quality of their services?

Yes, delegate of North Korea, Somalia IS a failed state. Yes, it's inflation is up there in the billions or trillions house. Yes, it is now ruled by militias. However, what the delegate fails to see is that pirates are villains in this story, and must be fought. Delegate, the only reason Somalia's condition hasn't improved is that UN ships carrying support to Somalia have been sunk by pirates. So before improving Somalia's conditions, we NEED to end piracy.

20Piracy in Somalia Empty Intersting... on November 10th 2009, 14:20

NKorea_PauloC

NKorea_PauloC
Though the nation of North Korea might consider the proposals worth dwelling it considers significant to notice that the pirates are not the "villains in the story", quite the contrary, they are victims.

Again the nation of USA manipulates the facts: The pirates have never sank a ship without before stealing the merchandise which would then end inside the Somalian territory and at least partially fullfilling its goal!

For these reasons the nation of North Korea considers that the order of events "comanded" by your nation have to be reviewed!

21Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on November 10th 2009, 14:24

USA_Lucas

USA_Lucas
Okay. So drug traffickers and smugglers now need to be given medals as well, right?

The supplies stolen by the pirates - in what WORLD does the delegate think that they get to Somalis justly? What is not used by the pirates themselves is SOLD, to people who do have money, and do not need supplies that much, different from the oppressed Somalis to whom the supplies are targeted.

Delegate, my last argument is that if we do not do anything against piracy in Somalia, we are indirectly FUNDING such acts. And that is NOT something the UN can even think of coping with.

22Piracy in Somalia Empty What would be Somalia without pirates? on November 10th 2009, 14:30

NKorea_PauloC

NKorea_PauloC
The delegate of North Korea has already especified that it will ponder upon this thoughts, so why repeat them?

What part of the word "partially" didn't the delegate understand? My nation has declared that the supplies reach Somalia, not its people. Furthermore, this system where many, who do not need, receive much, and poor, little receive, reminds me of that which guides your nation!

Now, if you were to end with piracy the only efficient action would be the addition of security soldiers inside cargo ships...



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23Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on November 10th 2009, 20:19

USA_Lucas

USA_Lucas
The intention of the UN aid is to supply the needy; we do not intend for it to arrive partially in Somalia - pirates are completely disrupting the purpose of the United Nations.

Now, about the solution - firstly, the US Navy has conquered some ground when it comes to piracy - US Navy snipers were able to shoot three Somali pirates who were keeping an American ship hostage. Now, if we could establish a type of navy guard patrolling the Indian Ocean and whatnot in search for pirates, to stop them, then we could strive to achieve our goals effectively in Somalia.

The delegate of the United States now refuses to comment on the "nation system" - it is both unnecessary and uncalled-for. However, delegate, be aware that my nation's system works based on the peoples' voices and opinions, while your is ruled by a man who gets to appoint his own successor and thus shows no intention of listening to the people's opinions.

24Piracy in Somalia Empty Spread of the Pirates on November 10th 2009, 20:52

South Africa_Felipe


The delegate of South Africa is deeply concerned with the fact that if things continue like this, the issue of piracy can lead to the complete paralization of the Gulf of Aden since the piracy is growing alot and extremily fast. Thos spread of the pirates in the Gulf of Aden will sudenly turn to an impossible passage of the shipa through this body of water. The big problem is that trading ships from all the world passes through the Gulf of Aden resulting in a Ruge economic issue to all the countries. South Africa wishes that the piracy can be controles as soon as possible so that the worst does't happens. Thank you.

25Piracy in Somalia Empty Re: Piracy in Somalia on November 12th 2009, 08:54

Rwanda_Nick

Rwanda_Nick
yes, the pirates need to be dealt with as soon as possible. the pirates are robbing the UN cargo ships and the supplies that are not needed are sold to people who have money, and that is not the current state of the somali people. So the best solution is to train the somali forces to combat the pirates Piracy in Somalia Icon_pirat , like Rwanda is doing. Proffessor Mohaned Abdi Mohamed has already requested the aid of Rwanda to train the somali soldiers, and there is already an undeterminate number of soldiers taht are being trained.
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