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26 Wow on October 20th 2009, 20:49

Delegate your final passage has brought tears to my eyes; finaly, you have admitted your past of opression and hegemony which is an amazing start!

Delegate regarding your past post: "detainees have already been deemed terrorists". How exacly were they "deemed" terrorists? Did they have a mustache and white beard, wear a turban and been registered to the middle east? For the nation of North Korea actually expects a fair trial...

Actually delegate they could buy weapons [referring to correction 2], just like in 96% of the world including USA and Brazil!
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The nation of North Korea has made drastic changes in its resolution and expects compliance of the internation community.

In exchange of a small financial aid of 15 billion dollars and renegociation of nuclear power plants with USA, we will accept the dismantling of our nuclear program and reintegration to the NPT...

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27 Tears?? on October 20th 2009, 22:12

Oppression and hegemony? The United States admitted no such thing - I am simply stating that now is not the time to bicker and make a fuss out of every single offence or argument raised (and delegate, you have launched MANY offences, and in that I mean verbally).

I also recommend that you, esteemed delegate of North Korea, try to do the same and actually try to solve the issues, instead of simply recurrently declaring your supremacy over all nations and complaining and stating that the United States is the most oppressive nation and intends to destroy everyone and dominate the world.

The delegate is out of time right now and has to end this post short; however, when I do have time, I will finish this post and discuss more thoroughly the issue of the Guantanamo bay detainees. However, I did find the "mustache and middle east" theory quite entertaining.

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28 The line on October 21st 2009, 06:38

The delegate has seemed to have halted the reading after the line. In reality the delegation of North Korea has already demonstrated its main proposals contained in its resolution and is waiting now for discussions relating this issue...

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29 Re: North Korean missiles on October 21st 2009, 08:17

"In exchange of a small financial aid of 15 billion dollars and renegociation of nuclear power plants with USA, we will accept the dismantling of our nuclear program and reintegration to the NPT..."
What does the delegate of North Korea plan to do with the $15 billion? (im just asking, im not taking any premature assumptions) Have you though about any possible investments that may lead to the betterment of your people´s conditions?

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30 Re: North Korean missiles on October 21st 2009, 16:19

Delegate of NK, I do believe it is important that your country receives a monetary reimbursement due to the amount of money spent on the development of you nuclear program. However, it is important to remember the past accusations regarding your country’s intentions for the expansion of this program when demanding such a huge quantity as a compensation or refund. After all, who do you expect to be paying such amount and for what purposes? Also, the proposal for you to leave your nuclear weapons and join the NPT is only as a matter of bringing more peace to the international community, and you should not see it as an opportunity to demand money of those countries who want to promote such passive and diplomatic means, but only as an encouragement to being accepted as a peaceful country internationally. Please keep in mind all the objectives of the UN and the NPT regarding nuclear weapons.

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31 Explanation... on October 21st 2009, 17:42

The money distribution of the fifteen billion dollars will be greatly discussed in the resolution... All of the money will be donated by the United States as previously declared...

PS: For lack of time I will be posting again later...

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In each and every agreement and/or treaty DPRK have entered in relation to the diminish of its nuclear arsenal it have managed to go out and desrespect. It signed the NPT but not only have it disrespected it by inprisioning and deporting IAEA inspectors, performing nuclear test (the most recent on May 25,2009) and developing even more its nuclear arsenal, exactly what the NPT is going against. It also managed to go out of the 1994 Agreed Framework which signed with the USA, which purposed that DPRK would end its nuclear facility in exchange of ligh water reactor which would to be given by the US. And the most recent example that DPRK is not willing to stick to its diplomatic obligations was its withdraw from the Six Party Talks.
All these examples have proven that a resolution to end for once and all DPRK's nuclear facilities will only be effective if punishments, more sevear punishments, are to be imposed in the DPRK. And economic and diplomatic sanctions won't be effective if countries such as China, who has an annual investment in the DPRK around 2 Billion dollars, and Russia, who passes its gas production through North Korea all the way to South Korea to sell there, continue such position. The sanctions are to be respected, and absoloute. We can't allow the DPRK to continue to threaten the world community.

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33 Suggestions on October 22nd 2009, 09:56

France would strongly suggest first of all harder sanctions in North Korea, urging for China's and Russia's cooperation. Secondly France would also suggest a harsher monitoring over its border, considering that there exists a threat of North Korea being exporting nuclear equipment, like in 2006 when it sent Lybia plutonium, the kind use for nuclear weapons. If North Korea still resists of dismantling its nuclear facilities, and even worst, if North Korea continue to perform nuclear tests and missile tests, France would then suggest that the world community end any and all diplomatic relations towards it, and if necessary military measures should, must, and will be taken.

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34 What?! on October 22nd 2009, 17:42

My first recomendation to you, delegate of France, is to read the whole thread before posting for most of this issues have been already discussed living us with the duty to find solutions. Refering to the "1994 Framework" we were not the ones to break the contract. We restarted our nuclear program only after US declared that the nuclear facilities would not be constructed!

Delegate, since the last time I checked, your nation, acting upon principles, declared it was against the general use of sanctions, during your prime minister's speech at the Hanoi conference, exacly because they were unefective in all cases it presented in history! The delegate would like to understand why this sudden change of ideals or if this might have been a simple mistaken delusion?

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35 Sanctions Can Be Effective on October 22nd 2009, 20:10

NKorea_PauloC wrote:Delegate, since the last time I checked, your nation, acting upon principles, declared it was against the general use of sanctions, during your prime minister's speech at the Hanoi conference, exacly because they were unefective in all cases it presented in history! The delegate would like to understand why this sudden change of ideals or if this might have been a simple mistaken delusion?

The delegation of Pakistan believes that sanctions can be effective when imposed for a just reason such as the ones imposed on South Africa to end the apartheid. By the way NK is safe from a USA invasion as no petrol has been found near or inside NK, which was the case in Iraqi and Kuwait.

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36 Re: North Korean missiles on October 22nd 2009, 21:28

PakIStan_Chico - By the way NK is safe from a USA invasion as no petrol has been found near or inside NK, which was the case in Iraqi and Kuwait.

please delegate, please please please make some effort to be, at least, cohesive... what does this has to do with the topic being discussed?

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37 Re: North Korean missiles on October 22nd 2009, 21:51

The Sudanese delegation would like to show its compliance to such resolution. Although having not read the resolution, it seems fair for the American government to pay the reimbursement for North Korea so that such nation can dismantle its nuclear program. Definitly, the quantity asked is nothing compared to the American GDP ($14.26 trillion) and so, what better way to prove that the American interest in dismantling NK's Nuclear Program is to achieve world peace than abiding to such resolution?

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38 Re: North Korean missiles on October 23rd 2009, 19:02

Sudan_LeoBiglia wrote:PakIStan_Chico - By the way NK is safe from a USA invasion as no petrol has been found near or inside NK, which was the case in Iraqi and Kuwait.

please delegate, please please please make some effort to be, at least, cohesive... what does this has to do with the topic being discussed?

Leo Could you tell me the conflicts USA Got involved in after the Cold War? The pretext for USA intervention in Iraq and what he gained in oil contracts, what USA Gained after intervening in Kuwait (Permanent Military Base). North Korea Has NO OIL, No Terrorist Group linked to al Qaeda such as Filipeans and Afganistan, and USA has a base in Japan Already so no need for another one. Also no UN resolution serves as a pretext for Invasion.
This means USA will not invade North Korea as It has no reasonable Excuse or a reason to search for one. Also If North Korea could find a way of making it more obvious that the humanitarian aid was actually reaching the people Maybe people would stop putting pressure on them

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39 There is an excuse... on October 26th 2009, 19:58

Actually, delegate, USA has a very good excuse: making another puppy in the Asia by ending our nations socialism which has gracefully worked for nearly one hundred years until US's intervention!

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40 Re: North Korean missiles on October 26th 2009, 22:15

NKorea_PauloC wrote:Actually, delegate, USA has a very good excuse: making another puppy in the Asia by ending our nations socialism which has gracefully worked for nearly one hundred years until US's intervention!

Couldn't agree more with the delegate of North Korea. What the delegation of Venezuela has pointed out in the Asian forum is that the US has made up reasons to stop nuclear power development in countries considered not to be their alleys. For example; in the 90's US gave Venezuela a nuclear reactor which the Venezuelan government agreed to shut down in 1994 for economic reasons. But now, Venezuela is again trying to pursue nuclear development, this time Venezuela is hoping to achieve its nuclear program through ties with the Russian Federation, and US immediately came to interfere, predicting that all Venezuela want is nuclear weapons, which is ridiculous since Venezuela signed the NPT and Venezuela's government doesn’t
have the assets to create or maintain a wealthy nuclear weapon program, even if wanted.

The fact is: the United State is trying to maintain its huge influence in the world, which also is known as power, by damaging other nations' development. But the world's nuclear threat is not NK, it’s the United States of America - they are responsible nuclear bombs against Japan in the end of WWII, they gave nuclear weapons to Israel, they invaded Iraq and killed thousands of Iraq’s citizens with a fake reason. US have dishonored several human right laws and the NPT more than once - at least NK had the morality of withdrawing from the treaty. And the reason why NK chose to create nuclear weapons and begin missiles testing was to defend itself from US and its Western Asian allies.

North Korea's missile testing and nuclear weapon programs should come to an end, but its not North Korea who we, the nations recognized by the UN, should be worried about.

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41 ??? on October 26th 2009, 23:00

" at least NK had the morality of withdrawing from the treaty"

Please delegate of Venezuela don't view the withdrawing of North korea from the treaty as an act of morality: delegate... they VIOLATED it (article III of the NPT) and THEN withdrew what other choice was there?

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42 Re: North Korean missiles on October 27th 2009, 17:48

Venezuela_Vanessa wrote:US immediately came to interfere, predicting that all Venezuela want is nuclear weapons
they gave nuclear weapons to Israel
US have dishonored several human right laws and the NPT more than once - at least NK had the morality of withdrawing from the treaty. And the reason why NK chose to create nuclear weapons and begin missiles testing was to defend itself from US and its Western Asian allies.

Interfere? Could the delegate please explain how?

The delegate talks about giving nuclear weaposn to Israel, however, delegate, Israel did not call another nation the "Great Satan" and does not want to "blow" another country "off the map."

We have dishonored human rights laws?? Delegate, what about your president, who is so concerned about his international image and criticizing the United States that he does not even look into Venezuela and does not show the least interest in trying to solve its problems? What about the fact that Venezuela now contains one of the FARC's bases, and Chavez does not show any wishes to find them and remove them?? Delegate, your president, instead of concerning himself with nuclear weapons in North Korea. Venezuela has NOTHING - its economy relies on oil simply. Yet, Chavez does NOTHING to aid Venezuela and provide it some economic stability.

When did the United States make any mention of attacking North Korea so that it had to so bravely start producing such dangerous defense systems? And when did withdrawing from a treaty that provides integrity and balance to the world become honorable?

When did the United States dishonor the NPT "more than once?"

All of these questions, delegate, are to show you that your strikes against the United States are exaggerations; you speak out not against a government, but against an imaginary exaggeration of what is today the United States of America.

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43 Re: North Korean missiles on October 27th 2009, 22:01

delegate of the United States, So if you commit a crime only once it is not a problem? so hypothetically speaking, I give Taliban nuclear weapons! As I did it only once it is not a problem?
AND Please clarify your reasoning as it was unclear how a nation that has entered various wars with almost all its neighbors, denied the rights of an entire population, and to this day has not complied with various UN resolutions relating to Palestine is reliable and stable just by being a USA ally?

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44 Re: North Korean missiles on October 28th 2009, 18:34

Although The delegate of Russia,

sees how Chico makes sense, disrespect once or twice makes no difference,
the one time is enough to destroy a reputation, as is well known by many countries,
including the Russian Delegation, the delegate still stays with one foot on each side
of the line. If any delegate could prove to me how NK is being unsafe with its nuclear energy,
Russia might take this in consideration, but russia finds it very unlikely that NK is using its
nuclear energy for anything else, NK has not given Russia a reason to be against it... Having not
seen a single problem in the past delt to Russia, we will not be able to blame NK for something inexistent.

(Im with you Paulo...) lol!

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45 Re: North Korean missiles on October 29th 2009, 08:56

Chico: The delegate of the USA was responding to the Venezuelan delegate's inaccuracy in her post, saying that it has disobeyed the NPT "more than once."

Delegate of Russia: judging from the fact that North Korea has conducted nuclear tests and has claimed to have nuclear weapons (16, I think), the delegate deems it necessary to believe and be sure that North Korea does, in fact, possess nuclear weapons. Regarding nuclear energy, I have already discussed with Paulo and we have come to the conclusion that the United States is willing to provide nuclear energy to North Korea on the United States's expenses in return for the dismantling of its nuclear weapons program and the cessation of nuclear, long-range, and short-range missile tests.

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46 Re: North Korean missiles on October 29th 2009, 09:14

The delegate of Russia finds it hard to believe that North Korea would say that
it is creating Nuclear weapons, even though some articles say that NK has been testing
these so called weapons, Russia still would like to hear NK's side of the story. For if this
is true, NK will be creating an even greater tension with the USA. Again understanding USA's
Concern, Russia still thinks that USA and NK could work this out in a different way, like NK's
resolution will say.


Their is no reason for these two nations to have these conflicts, especialy since they are leading nations in the world today, and so this would allow for either a peacefull creation and development of the 'expansion' of NK's nuclear program, and also, for USA to stop trying to control what NK does or does not make, which in a way ties into Russia's Resolution about defense.
Keep in mind that Russia does not find NK unsafe with its productions, but still if USA finds it so, then there is no reason why it should not trade money with safety, as we were all taught as kids "Safety First"

Basically, Russia does not to get caught in the middle of a war, Russia does not want to have to chose sides between these two leading nations, intervening with USA and NK will not become a peacefull solution...

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47 Re: North Korean missiles on October 29th 2009, 17:10

"Basically, Russia does not to get caught in the middle of a war, Russia does not want to have to chose sides between these two leading nations, intervening with USA and NK will not become a peacefull solution..."
On the contrary delegate... these procedures for the dismantling of NK's nuclear program are FOR peaceful purposes and trying to prevent a war.. Smile
and don't forget about South Korea's involvement, my reso's objective is to facilitate these procedures.. like reeiniciating the 6 party talks, we want come up with a mulilateral agreement with NK that doesnt only consist of their nuclear disarmament them but other countrie's cooperation aswell in hopes of stabilizing international conditions like eliminating sanctions and tensions

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48 Re: North Korean missiles on October 29th 2009, 21:40

Delegate,

You are misunderstanding Russia's point, the delegate of Russia still refuses to
find a way in which NK is a threat, even with Nuclear weapons, the Only real example
of a threat until today would be from the USA, which shows the whole meaning of Russia's
resolution, not having USA be in charge of an ABM project in Europe, this project will help
both sides, with protection, and both sides, who claim to have confidence in Russia, since
they have proven to be the only ones capable of 'getting it right'

If you talk of peaceful purposes, then why are you against NK, it has shown no threat,
and the only reason USA would like to see them dismantle the Nuclear Program, is because
USA and SK, are jealous of the progress that NK is making. lol!

So not on the contrary, since the delegate of SK did not understand what Russia was trying to state,
maybe next time the Russian Delegate will put it in even simpler terms. The only thing Russia said
about taking care of this problem, is finding a way to get NK and USA on the same side again. Though
Russia highly doubts that even on opposite sides, they will take measures, but nevertheless, Vote in
favor of Russia's Resolution, to show your concern in the protection of the greater 'us'.

THAT IS IF THE ONLY REASON SK WANTS TO DISMANTLE THE PROGRAM IS FOR PEACEFUL PURPOSES!!!

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49 Re: North Korean missiles on October 30th 2009, 08:58

Delegate, the reason why South Korea is against North Korea’s nuclear program is not because of jealous resentment but because of belligerent threats imposed by their leader as well as the constant testing of their short and long-range missiles that enhance the possibility of a nuclear war that endangers international security. While North Korea pours huge amounts of significant monetary investments into the nuclear program to ensure the security of their country, it has forgotten its citizen’s basic needs, which is why 2.5 million have died of hunger in the past decade since NK diverts its resources to its military.



And I wouldn't exactly say that a nation is making any "progress" when its people live under an oppressive regime with fear and starvation.

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50 Re: North Korean missiles on October 30th 2009, 11:12

Testing of nuclear weapons should not frighten you, if your Nations was able to maintaine a good relationship with NK then you would find no problems. but as you again misunderstood, i will explain better...

-Basically, Russia thinks that the only reason that SK should be afraid of NK, is because they have bad relations, these relations are bad for the fact that Jealousy Arose between NK and SK, and yes, Russia calls it progress, for NK has had inumerous improvments in inumerous systems, and therefore should be proud of what it accomplished.

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