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Israel_ale wrote:right delegate, because if Israel gives it back it will try to conquer it again right? I mean, delegate, how can you say that the Syrians are in danger, when by fact the Israeli bases in the Golan Heights are suffering attacks every month, open fire against them while soldiers are performing basic tasks. Delegate, as you are aware, after the Six-Day-War Israel also captured the Sinai Peninsula, from Egypt, but returned it in its full extension the moment Egypt recognized Israel as a state, being the first of all Arab nations,both parties signed the Oslo Accords, I believe, but am not certain. Which meant Israel would give back the Sinai Peninsula, and Egypt fully recognized right to exist.
Delegate, why wont Syria simply recognize the millions of people that live as one nation, the Israeli nation? Wouldn't this be much easier if Syria would recognize Israel as a state?
Israel_ale wrote:as the israeli delegate, I think that right now you should be focusing on what your country wants, and not Israels concerns or personal problems, yes, Israel does have a water issue, but it hopes that the Syrian Golan Heights can be shared by both countries. Dont worry about Israel's situation, especially when pretending to do so, cause we all know that it wont be used for pacific means, and by the way, the lives of those who were living there prior to the invasion hasn't changed, DELEGATE, DID YOU NOT UNDERSTAND, THAT IF SYRIA RECOGNIZES ISRAEL AS A STATE, ISRAEL WILL SURELY ENSURE THAT THE GOLAN HEIGHTS IS TO BE RETURNED TO SYRIA, AS WITH THE SINAI PENINSULA IN EGYPT?
Israel_ale wrote:delegate of syria,
if you really believe that Im not being mature, its your problem, but please, don't say I'm acting immaturely when you just stated that what I was doing was ^lame^, way to be completely contradictory to your own case, and plese, stick to the facts.... your ideas cant be proven, and by the way you cant supposedly state that it will be peaceful,it might be peaceful? its more likely that it wont, then what happens then, the same conflict happens all over again? delegate, I thought you knew better to never support ideas with false impressions and ideas or possibilities which can only be proven through experiment, which right now, Israel isn't willing to risk the possibility of its people's lives at risk, unlike your government.
ps. don't say that the delegate of Israel is being immature when the delegate hasn't stated one piece of evidence to support your case, I am simply questioning your knowledge, because right now what you have stated is clearly undermining Syria's governments capacity of solving an issue, what I'm saying is that your representation of Syria isn't helping Syria at all, try to solve the problem, not to create excuses.
What does my immaturity have to do with the issue? you're the one that cant make your case.
Israel_ale wrote:Delegate, Im not immature, you are. If you knew the definition of lame is inadequte then use inadequete, and how am I supposed to know what your resolution is about when you don't inform anything to anyone, and if you were to be truly smart you would resign as delegate of Syria, because again, your not supporting your case, you're simply attacking the delegate of Israel which is truly imature, using lame in a sentence is immature!
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israel_andrea wrote: "That each individual state has the primary responsibility to protect its populations from genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing. And it is also a responsibility for prevention of these crimes.
israel_andrea wrote:The Israeli's crystal ball may not be able to see the future, but it can see the past. Such as in 2005, when Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip. Or in 1987, when the Palestinian people launched an intifada followed by the second, which included suicide bombings. Wake up, delegates, saying that "not a single one of them did you ever suggest to give back Gaza Strip, West Bank and East Jerusalem as was assigned in resolution 181 in 1947." What does the Iranian delegate think withdrawing is?
A president is "an officer appointed or elected to preside over an organized body of persons," as said in Dictionary.com, and the leader represents (action or speech on behalf of a person, group, business house, state, or the like by an agent, deputy, or representative) it's people. A leader wouldn't have his positions without the support of his country. Israeli Prime Ministers talk with the position of it's country, not of it's selfish wants. 55% of Israelis support talks with Hamas at the hopes of a truce betwen Hamas and the Fatah. 51% of Israelis support a continuing cease-fire with Hamas
It seems as thought the delegates of Iran and Syria need a little background on the history. First of all, the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict is NOT a genocide. Simply the want of land between two competetors. In 1917, the overseer of the Middle East, Britain, favored the creation of a Jewish homeland on both sides of the Jordan River in the Balfour Declaration, and all that land was originally reserved for the Jewish state. But, in 1922, the Palestinian State, Transjordan, was created, taking away about 75% of the original Jewish land.
And although the delegations may not want to hear it, it seems that the delegates need a reminding. In 2000, the Camp David Accords took place, and Israeli Prime Minister, Ehud Barak, went beyond his 'hatred' for Palestine. Israel offered 97% of territories to Palestinians, military control of eastern Jerusalem, and allowing Palestinian refugees to return to their Israeli relatives and giving compensation to those who couldnt return. Delegates, the representive from Palestine, Arafat, WALKED AWAY. No other offers, just the intifada. Israelhassuggested giving up it's land, and it has been turned down by PALESTINE. 52% of Israelis support this plan today.
Recognizing Israel as a legitimate state is the ONLY way that a resonable solution can be discovered on BOTH sides. It's called a compromise, and Israel has already shown it's great efforts in delaing with this crisis. But Israel cannot do it alone, and it requires the help of ALL Middle East countries to fix this problem. For if Israel makes Palestine independent, Israel must also be independent as a legitimate state. Hopefully that is something the Iranian delegate can agree to.
Iran wrote:israel_andrea wrote: "That each individual state has the primary responsibility to protect its populations from genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and ethnic cleansing. And it is also a responsibility for prevention of these crimes.Thank you, new delegate of Israel. Thank you for pointing out the very core of Iran's, I will merely sum up to this word, dislike for your country. For more than sixty years the Palestinians have had to endure a genocide that was forcefully called upon them, for no apparent reason, by the Israeli government. You speak so repetitively about the misinterpreted "wipe off the map" quote by our always so graceful president Ahmadinejad, so I will reveal some sayings by former Israeli prime ministers and members of cabinet about the Palestinian people:
"[The Palestinians] are beasts walking on two legs."
Former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin
"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
Former Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir
"Everybody has to move, run and grab as many (Palestinian) hilltops as they can to enlarge the (Jewish) settlements because everything we take now will stay ours...Everything we don't grab will go to them."
Israeli Foreign Minister Ariel Sharon
Does that sound offensive to you? Imagine to the Palestinians...
Regardless, now that we have settled that, I would just like you to know one thing: responsability to protect is not based on assumptions. Please, please, tell me how you actually know that Syria would be planning to strike an attack against your country. Again, if you have a crystal ball, please do not hesitate in lending it to the Iranian government, maybe this way we can rest assured that Israel is not planning in attacking our country anytime soon. Judging by your comments, actually, Iran, along with the entirety of the international community, would be the one to use this principle as an argument for invading Israel since you have practiced war crimes in the latest Gaza Strip incursion (ACCORDING TO A REPORT BY THE UNITED NATIONS) and you have been disregarding every international principle out there in dealing with the Palestinians. Your government has neglected the right to self-determination of the Palestinian people since you don't recognize the Palestinian state. Not only don't you recognize, but you also occuppy these denominated Palestinian territories ilegally, against the United Nations, against 70 Security Council resolutions, against the United States, against the entire world. And spare us all of the "we proposed a billion peace treaties" because in not a single one of them did you ever suggest to give back Gaza Strip, West Bank and East Jerusalem as was assigned in resolution 181 in 1947. There will be no such thing as peace in the middle-east if you don't give the Palestinians what they are entitled to. This is the truth, whether your expansionist wealthy population likes it or not. Unless you propose to deal with this adequately, we will never recognize the state of Israel as legitimate. Perhaps under your unjust and careless world it is, but not in ours.
PS: Delegate of Syria, the actual Syrian government would never allow such a preposterous thing to happen.
See you soon,
Delegation of Iran
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